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johnmorango2		#41	[-]
Cloudbusting! Posts: 4110 (June 29, 2009 12:19:46) Running (Up That Hill) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I don't believe he was as bad as painted or as good either. His intentions came from a strange wounded place. If he'd lived in the real world it might have been different. He didn't. He was surrounded by people who saw him as a meal ticket, even the most genuine ones must have been tainted and I'm guessing there were many who weren't altruistic. John The Dreaming is Kate's 'Marmite' album. Last Edited By: johnmorango2 June 30, 2009 03:30:36. Edited 1 times.
KBSkyLady		#42	[-]
Looking (At The Big Sky!) Posts: 3156 (June 29, 2009 19:17:13) Looking (At The Big Sky!) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	^ So well put, John. Be the Awen! ... / \| \
samphire hoe		#43	[-]
Showing (a little devotion) Posts: 801 (June 29, 2009 19:29:38) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	^^ yup. Even after all this time The sun never says to the earth, "You owe me." Look what happens with a Love like that! -It lights the whole Sky. (Hafiz)
Cicilo		#44	[-]
Showing (a little devotion) Posts: 1537 (July 1, 2009 02:23:37) Showing (a little devotion) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Is it me or is the term "genius" loosely used ? Not just on this board, BTW. The guy was talented and captivated many people... does that qualify as genius ? I'm always a bit annoyed when people use that word to describe an artist. Let's not get carried away. His albums have been collecting dust ever since the late 80s, he hasn't had a certified hit in nearly 15 years in the U.S. and suddenly he's a genius and everyone's darling. MJ has done nothing to improve the fate and everyday lives of human beings; he has entertained and he has done this spectacularly well, but so do other artists. Sorry, I guess I don't think of artists as geniuses... not even the ones I truly admire.
Kestrel		#45	[-]
Cloudbusting! Posts: 3430 (July 1, 2009 08:35:07) Looking (At The Big Sky!) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The media are now saying that MJ wasn't the father of his children? .........and its taken them 10 years plus to work that one out?
Dervish Overdrive		#46	[-]
Showing (a little devotion) Posts: 949 (July 1, 2009 10:45:01) Running (Up That Hill) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Cicilo wrote: Is it me or is the term "genius" loosely used ? Urgh I'm sick of all of those terms: 'genius', 'hero', 'legend', especially in the Australian media. Just like every event is a 'disaster', 'tragedy' or 'crisis'. Frankly, sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion!
gabigirl		#47	[-]
Cloudbusting! Posts: 4177 (July 1, 2009 22:40:15) Cloudbusting! Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I agree with John ,.. I think MJ was a child at heart and never had a good childhood and he made some many not good choices in his life .. but as a artist he was amazing and I loved that he helped people who wear struggling in life .. he never for get them .. and that he tried to help ..... and he tried his best bring black and white together too... its all sad ,.. when people laugh at his face .. it made me sad ... because I saw a hurter soul .. and it just show to you that no manner how much money you had and fame .. its all hallow..fame is very hard ... i think it is smart that Kate Bush keeps her privet life very privet ..... whets he realy need in return is is love peace understanding... maybe his dad told Michel when he was a little boy that he is very ugly ... and maybe he felt he had change his face ...over and over ....sigh... make me want to cry .............. Gabi love is love Last Edited By: gabigirl July 1, 2009 22:43:35. Edited 1 times.
samphire hoe		#48	[-]
Showing (a little devotion) Posts: 806 (July 2, 2009 00:06:21) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	^^^^ I agree, MJ as a man was only a part of an industry including some remarkable production and film people and some good song-writers. Not a genius himself, but the whole package.... well, what deserves the word genius? (er.... Kate IMHO) I imagine he has played a part, indirectly, in improving some people's lives, I've seen kids enjoy the benefits of the Starlight Foundation. But, if any of us had that amount of cash, we'd be doing the same. I guess some of his ardent fans (and my God, there are plenty of 'em!) would say that he has changed their lives, just as many KB fans would say the same of Kate.... through the friends we've made and so on. ^^ Yup. (but also guilty!) ^ It's very sad to see the man's face change over the years. He was a beautiful lad once. I can only think he's been surrounded by some complete buffoons over the years. Even after all this time The sun never says to the earth, "You owe me." Look what happens with a Love like that! -It lights the whole Sky. (Hafiz)
Freeradical79		#49	[-]
Cloudbusting! Posts: 5029 (July 2, 2009 11:07:29) Showing (a little devotion) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Cicilo wrote: Is it me or is the term "genius" loosely used ? Not just on this board, BTW. The guy was talented and captivated many people... does that qualify as genius ? I'm always a bit annoyed when people use that word to describe an artist. Let's not get carried away. His albums have been collecting dust ever since the late 80s, he hasn't had a certified hit in nearly 15 years in the U.S. and suddenly he's a genius and everyone's darling. MJ has done nothing to improve the fate and everyday lives of human beings; he has entertained and he has done this spectacularly well, but so do other artists. Sorry, I guess I don't think of artists as geniuses... not even the ones I truly admire. I couldn't agree more - genius is very poorly applied. In music it belongs to a handful of artist, Bach for example. I don't believe, due to the level of input and broad access to inspiration, that any modern artists are genius. Inspired yes, genius no. Schrodinger was a genius. Einstein as well. They changed our lives in ways that people can not even begin to appreciate. Taking the classical view of molecular physics and throwing it upside down with quantum physics is genius that is beyond compare. Maybe some architects/engineers also. They are responsible for creating the remarkable spaces we inhabit. As Ian pointed out, MJ did play a part indirectly with the improvement of peoples lives. It shouldn't be hard to understand that, especially here on a music oriented forum. His songs gave people feelings of hope, feelings of unity. ...there ain't a single night, when I haven't held you tight... ...but its always inside my head, never inside my bed...
Mondo Sinistro		#50	[-]
Cloudbusting! Posts: 5045 (July 2, 2009 11:32:18) Cloudbusting! Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	In the end, can't we trace most of MJ's health problems, and therefore his ultimate demise, to medical problems that go back a long way? He had a condition, vitiligo, that causes spotty loss of pigmentation. Don't you suppose he just decided at some point, that since he was losing his black skin in patches, he might as well just remove it all and make it even? And there was some incident where he accidentally lit his hair on fire in some stage act? An incident which led to habitual use of painkillers? And once you have those two problems in place, then it's easier to slide into other, more complex problems, with a mental aspect to them.
Al Lehgori		#51	[-]
Moving Posts: 61 (July 4, 2009 19:38:17) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	"Is it me or is the term "genius" loosely used ? Not just on this board, BTW. The guy was talented and captivated many people... does that qualify as genius ? I'm always a bit annoyed when people use that word to describe an artist. Let's not get carried away. His albums have been collecting dust ever since the late 80s, he hasn't had a certified hit in nearly 15 years in the U.S. and suddenly he's a genius and everyone's darling. MJ has done nothing to improve the fate and everyday lives of human beings; he has entertained and he has done this spectacularly well, but so do other artists. Sorry, I guess I don't think of artists as geniuses... not even the ones I truly admire. " Doesn't the term genius mean that one has abilities or talent that are based on knowledge without study and prowess without practice? Whether we like someone or not - whether the term is tossed around too much or not; the fact remains that a word needs to exist to describe extraordinary talent that is exemplary of natural gift. I think artists are certainly as worthy of the recognition than say a chess player. The outward sharing, the abilty to move or motivate people is indeed genius. Obama and Hitler qualify for better or worse. Knowledge and mastery of the genre or field of study is indicative of superior 'intellect' Last Edited By: Al Lehgori July 4, 2009 19:46:41. Edited 1 times.
Mondo Sinistro		#52	[-]
Cloudbusting! Posts: 5050 (July 4, 2009 22:53:20) Cloudbusting! Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	This is a difficult matter of semantics, I think. I agree that it's bad when words and phrases are habitually misused to the point where their original, important meaning is forgotten. Orwell, and many others before and since, have commented on this process. As for this particular word, though, I'm not sure that even the dictionary makers could agree on a single definition, or on whether innate ability is sufficient to define it. (You seem to agree that innate ability is a necessary condition, though--that most people, no matter how hard they work, still don't have the ability to produce the Theory Of Relativity, the structure of DNA, or The Rite Of Spring. (Or Hounds Of Love.) I like Edison's quip that goes something like that genius is 2 % inspiration and 98% perspiration, but I'll always hasten to add this: Remember that without that 2% inspiration, there still is no genius.
Cicilo		#53	[-]
Showing (a little devotion) Posts: 1538 (July 9, 2009 01:49:12) Showing (a little devotion) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	As Ian pointed out, MJ did play a part indirectly with the improvement of peoples lives. It shouldn't be hard to understand that, especially here on a music oriented forum. His songs gave people feelings of hope, feelings of unity. Yes, of course, I agree - but so do the songs of countless other artists. I guess our society is so obsessed with celebrities that the word genius adresses popularity more than skill, talent or achievement. Selling millions of albums doesn't make you a genius - it makes you a popular recording artist, period. I guess my dislike of Jackson - I always found him the most annoying public personality ever, even prior to the child molestation trials - keeps me from being objective on this issue. But really - I'd pay ridiculous amounts of money to attend a Kate Bush concert, for example, but I still wouldn't say she's a genius.
Mondo Sinistro		#54	[-]
Cloudbusting! Posts: 5059 (July 9, 2009 15:55:59) Cloudbusting! Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Can't say I was ever that annoyed with MJ. Perhaps it would've been different if my habitual media consumption was of stations that kept heaping him on ad nauseam. (Damned raw Latin again, sorry.) To be my most annoying performer, he'd have to top some pretty stiff competition!
Al Lehgori		#55	[-]
Moving Posts: 63 (July 10, 2009 00:22:39) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	^^ "I'd pay ridiculous amounts of money to attend a Kate Bush concert, for example, but I still wouldn't say she's a genius." Well I would - she is without a doubt in my mind. Musically she is a proficient as a master mathematician is with numbers on an intuitive level. Intellect is not just knowing facts and methods; it is - it seems to me - mastery of a discipline with ease and grace. WAVES OF ENERGY FROM MUSIC, METAPHORS AND METAPHYSICS Last Edited By: Al Lehgori July 10, 2009 12:17:21. Edited 1 times.
StevenEdmondson		#56	[-]
Running (Up That Hill) Posts: 650 (July 10, 2009 23:49:42) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	After reading a book upon which a heavy emphasis was put on defining the term genius I don't really have a clue how to apply it to anyone other than Shakespeare.
Helen Bywater		#57	[-]
Running (Up That Hill) Posts: 86 (July 12, 2009 17:27:22) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Re what Gabi said about Michael's father perhaps telling him he was ugly as a kid - I saw an interview, where he said that his father used to tease him cruelly about his bad complexion. He said he didn't hate his father, but he must have had a lot of anger towards him, even if he didn't acknowledge it. I think he coped by managing his life so that he could have everything his way. He certainly ignored advice to curb his spending when he was in financial difficulties. I thought it was unfair that a lot of black people felt he'd betrayed them by going white. I've seen a bad case of vitiligo, caused by sun damage, on a gardener's hands in Malaysia. He looked like a piebald horse. No-one would want a face that looked like that. I think he was deserving of sympathy. I don't know what I think about the allegations that were made against him, but whatever the facts were, I think he was an innocent. I really don't get what all the fuss is about. He made some good music, but I wouldn't describe him as a genius. He was an incredible dancer, though. You came to me in a dream, and I said, "We can't go on meeting like this".
Spocibo is the King		#58	[-]
Showing (a little devotion) Posts: 978 (July 12, 2009 23:01:53) Running (Up That Hill) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	what what what ? Michael Jackson is dead and I didn't know it ? Hmm... I must buy a TV and a radio. I do miss a lot of news.... Je viens comme un chat par la nuit si noire, Tu attends et je tombe dans tes ailes blanches, la-la-la et je vole, et je coule, comme une plume. Si les grands yeux de mon dieu, ne me regardaient pas, je te volerais. Ne t'enfuis pas, tu as des ailes, le pouvoir de me quitter, tu es tombé du ciel comme un ange la-la-la et j'ai peur que le ciel te reprenne. Je viens comme un chat, par la nuit si noire, je t'en prie, je t'en prie, je t'en prie, je t'en prie, je t'en prie, je t'en prie, ne t'enfuis pas.
Al Lehgori		#59	[-]
Moving Posts: 65 (July 14, 2009 02:31:19) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	"He made some good music, but I wouldn't describe him as a genius. He was an incredible dancer, though." If he's not then the criteria must be pretty effing tough.
Helen Bywater		#60	[-]
Running (Up That Hill) Posts: 90 (July 14, 2009 10:42:08) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Al Lehgori wrote: "He made some good music, but I wouldn't describe him as a genius. He was an incredible dancer, though." If he's not then the criteria must be pretty effing tough. Well yes, they are, aren't they? Perhaps we bandy that word "genius" about too much. It used to be considered a very rare thing. The OED defines it as "an exceptional intellectual or creative power or other natural ability or tendency". Granted, such talent is rare among the population at large, but I can think of any number of artists that I'd say have as much talent as Michael Jackson. You came to me in a dream, and I said, "We can't go on meeting like this".

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